Huseby, Inc.
 
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          1                   UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
 
          2            FOR THE WESTERN DISTRICT OF NORTH CAROLINA
 
          3                        CHARLOTTE DIVISION
 
          4
               UNITED STATES OF AMERICA     )
          5                                 )
                                            )
          6            vs.                  )  File No. 3:97CR23-P
                                            )
          7    AQUILIA MARCIVICCI BARNETTE, )  SENTENCING PHASE
                                            )
          8            Defendant.           )
                                            )
          9
 
         10
 
         11                 Transcript of proceedings before the Honorable
 
         12    ROBERT D. POTTER, Senior United States District Court Judge,
 
         13    before Scott A. Huseby, Official Court Reporter and Notary
 
         14    Public, on the 4th day of February, 1998.
 
         15    APPEARANCES:
 
         16    For the United States:
 
         17       ROBERT J. CONRAD, JR.
                  THOMAS G. WALKER
         18       Assistant United States Attorneys
                  227 West Trade Street, Suite 1700
         19       Charlotte, North Carolina  28204
 
         20    On Behalf of the Defendant:
 
         21       GEORGE V. LAUGHRUN, Esq.
                  Suite 602
         22       301 South McDowell Street
                  Charlotte, North Carolina  28204
         23
 
         24
 
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          1    APPEARANCES: (Continued)
                  PAUL J. WILLIAMS, Esq.
          2       Suite 801
                  301 South McDowell Street
          3       Charlotte, North Carolina  28204
 
          4
 
          5                              ---
 
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          7            THE COURT:  Good morning, everyone.
 
          8            MR. CONRAD:  Good morning, Your Honor.
 
          9            THE COURT:  We're ready for the jury, I assume, call the
 
         10    jury.
 
         11            (The jury returned to the courtroom.)
 
         12            THE COURT:  Good morning.  I see you have your coats,
 
         13    glad to see you have your coats this morning.  I think you must
 
         14    come in and test the temperature before you come out here.  I
 
         15    assume y'all are a little bit chilly, is that right?
 
         16            (Jurors nod heads.)
 
         17            THE COURT:  We'll try to see if we can get the heat
 
         18    turned on sometime during the day.
 
         19            All right, members of the jury, we are ready for more
 
         20    evidence on the part of the defendant.
 
         21            MR. WILLIAMS:  Thank you, Your Honor.  The defense calls
 
         22    Cindy or Cynthia Maxwell, if Your Honor please.
 
         23                         CYNTHIA NEAGLE MAXWELL,
 
         24    being first duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows:
 
         25                           DIRECT EXAMINATION
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1            BY MR. WILLIAMS:
 
          2       Q.   State your name, please.
 
          3       A.   Cynthia Neagle Maxwell.
 
          4       Q.   Ms. Maxwell, were you at our request appointed by the
 
          5    Court, this Court to assist the defense in this case?
 
          6       A.   Yes, I was.
 
          7       Q.   And in that regard, were you asked to prepare a life
 
          8    history of Mark Barnette?
 
          9       A.   I was.
 
         10       Q.   Now, with regard to preparing a life history of Mark
 
         11    Barnette, have you had any experience in doing that?
 
         12       A.   Yes, I have.
 
         13       Q.   And have you had any experience or in your background
 
         14    any mental health experience or experience in social work?
 
         15       A.   I have experience in both.
 
         16       Q.   And have you been asked in the past to prepare life
 
         17    histories for other lawyers in other cases?
 
         18       A.   I have.
 
         19       Q.   And were those all in capital defense cases?
 
         20       A.   Specific life histories have always been in capital
 
         21    defense cases.
 
         22            MR. WILLIAMS:  If I may approach, Your Honor, I think
 
         23    that microphone may be a little high, if I may.  Can you hear
 
         24    her all right?
 
         25            THE COURT:  Can y'all hear her?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1            THE CLERK:  If she talks louder, it will be all right.
 
          2            BY MR. WILLIAMS:
 
          3       Q.   I'm sorry, your answer to that question was what?
 
          4       A.   Specific life histories have been in capital cases for
 
          5    the defense.
 
          6       Q.   And have you had experience in your past in doing that?
 
          7       A.   Yes, I have.
 
          8       Q.   And have you participated in any seminars and experience
 
          9    in preparing life histories?
 
         10       A.   I have.
 
         11       Q.   And how many life histories have you prepared in the
 
         12    past in regard to a person charged in a criminal case,
 
         13    particularly a capital case?
 
         14       A.   For capital cases, I have worked on and prepared life
 
         15    histories in 14 cases where the life history was typed and
 
         16    submitted to defense counsel.  I have assisted and consulted on
 
         17    criminal cases and child abuse cases and life histories for
 
         18    those people.  I have done probably 30 or 40 life histories that
 
         19    were not necessarily typed but were verbally given to defense
 
         20    counsel.
 
         21       Q.   Now, what -- tell the jury just briefly what you do to
 
         22    first obtain a life history.
 
         23       A.   I interview the defendant and the defendant's family and
 
         24    any members of the family or significant others that the
 
         25    defendant sends me to interview.  I review records, and from
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    those records I find other names of people and agencies,
 
          2    institutions, whom I interview.  I then ask those people if
 
          3    there is anyone else I should interview and I go and interview
 
          4    those people.  I talk with -- whenever I can find a phone number
 
          5    or have access to victims, I do talk to victims if I can find
 
          6    them.  I talk with teachers and doctors and nurses and just
 
          7    anybody I can find that knows the defendant and try --
 
          8       Q.   As a result of that and doing a life history, do you
 
          9    prepare what is called a life line --
 
         10       A.   Yes, I do.
 
         11       Q.   -- in that regard?
 
         12       A.   Yes, I do.
 
         13            THE COURT:  Excuse me just a minute.  Is that gentleman
 
         14    that just came in, is he a witness in the case?
 
         15            MR. LAUGHRUN:  No, sir.
 
         16            MR. WILLIAMS:  No, sir, he is a lawyer.
 
         17            THE COURT:  Oh, okay, thank you.  Lawyers can't be
 
         18    witnesses.
 
         19            MR. WILLIAMS:  It's Mr. Brook, Your Honor.
 
         20            THE COURT:  Not very good witnesses anyway.  All right,
 
         21    go ahead.
 
         22            BY MR. WILLIAMS:
 
         23       Q.   Now, when you prepare a life history and -- let me
 
         24    strike that.  Were you -- when were you appointed in this case
 
         25    to assist the defense, about how long ago?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1       A.   May 25th, 1997.
 
          2       Q.   And since that time, in the process of preparing a life
 
          3    history and going into the background and reviewing records and
 
          4    doing all that, about how many hours have you spent doing that?
 
          5       A.   Somewhere between 200 and 300 hours.
 
          6       Q.   Now, after you do a life history, do you then put it in
 
          7    a visual form such as a life line?
 
          8       A.   Yes, I do.
 
          9       Q.   And how do you obtain or how do you prepare the life
 
         10    line, where do you get the information that goes in the life
 
         11    line to present as a visual history of the client's life, how do
 
         12    you do that, where do you get that information from?
 
         13       A.   From the life history, which is a compilation of the
 
         14    interviews and information that I have obtained.
 
         15       Q.   And when you do the life line, do you sometimes include
 
         16    photographs in the life line that have been provided to you from
 
         17    members of the family to indicate the life of, in this case Mark
 
         18    Barnette at different times of his life?
 
         19       A.   Yes, I do.
 
         20            MR. WILLIAMS:  If I may approach the witness, Your
 
         21    Honor?
 
         22            THE COURT:  Yes, sir.
 
         23            BY MR. WILLIAMS:
 
         24       Q.   If I may show you Defendant's Exhibit 28B and 28C and
 
         25    28D, and ask you if you recognize those photographs?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1       A.   Yes, I do.
 
          2       Q.   And on the backs of the photographs, are there any
 
          3    markings?
 
          4       A.   Yes, there are markings.
 
          5       Q.   Okay.
 
          6            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, we would stipulate to these
 
          7    photographs which have already been admitted, and we would
 
          8    stipulate as well to the admission of the life line.
 
          9            THE COURT:  All right.
 
         10            MR. WILLIAMS:  All right, thank you very much.
 
         11            BY MR. WILLIAMS:
 
         12       Q.   Let me hand you Defendant's Exhibit Number 43, and ask
 
         13    you if that is the life line that you prepared in this case with
 
         14    regard to the life of Mark Barnette?
 
         15       A.   Yes, it is.
 
         16            MR. WILLIAMS:  If Your Honor please, we offer that
 
         17    exhibit into evidence and ask that the jury be allowed to be
 
         18    passed a notebook that has -- well, before I do that, I have one
 
         19    more question to ask her.
 
         20            BY MR. WILLIAMS:
 
         21       Q.   The notebook includes the life line, and also were
 
         22    you -- did you obtain from Mr. Barnette some drawings or
 
         23    art -- samples of his artwork that he has done since he has been
 
         24    in prison?
 
         25       A.   Since he's been in jail, yes, sir.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1            MR. WILLIAMS:  May I approach, Your Honor?
 
          2            THE COURT:  Yes, sir.
 
          3            BY MR. WILLIAMS:
 
          4       Q.   And let me show you Exhibits 29A, B, C and D, and ask
 
          5    you if those are the drawings that you obtained from Mark
 
          6    Barnette that he did, from what he told you, since he's been in
 
          7    jail?
 
          8       A.   Yes.
 
          9            MR. WILLIAMS:  We'd offer those into evidence, Your
 
         10    Honor, and now ask that the notebook be passed to the jury
 
         11    showing those two exhibits.
 
         12            THE COURT:  There is no objection to the notebook?
 
         13            MR. WILLIAMS:  We have taken out everything in the
 
         14    notebook except the life line and those photographs.
 
         15            THE COURT:  All right, let them be admitted.
 
         16            MR. CONRAD:  Does the notebook have an exhibit number?
 
         17            MR. WILLIAMS:  Well, the notebook is going to be the
 
         18    Exhibit 43A.
 
         19            THE COURT:  43A?  All right, the notebook as it is
 
         20    passed to the jury will be admitted.
 
         21            MR. WILLIAMS:  Thank you, Your Honor.
 
         22            THE COURT:  And also 29 -- well, you've already got 28
 
         23    in, I think -- 29A, B, C and D.  Was there anything else?  That
 
         24    was all, wasn't it, okay, thank you.
 
         25            BY MR. WILLIAMS:
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1       Q.   Very briefly, would you come down in front of the jury
 
          2    while the notebooks are being passed out so we can move along as
 
          3    quickly as possible, and I will ask you if Defendant's Exhibit
 
          4    43A is the same thing as the life line for Mr. Barnette but put
 
          5    together on a large board?
 
          6       A.   Yes.
 
          7            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, just for clarification, I
 
          8    thought 43A was the notebook that was passed to the jury.
 
          9            MR. WILLIAMS:  I'm sorry, it is.  43B would be the
 
         10    blowup of the life line.  I'm sorry, Your Honor.
 
         11            THE COURT:  43B, all right, it will be admitted, and
 
         12    43A.
 
         13            BY MR. WILLIAMS:
 
         14       Q.   Now, Exhibit 43B, I just want you to briefly explain to
 
         15    the jury at this point, using the notebooks that the jurors have
 
         16    at the beginning of the first page in the notebook of the life
 
         17    line, is that this page here beginning in 1973?
 
         18       A.   I think we are going to stand in front.  If I pull it
 
         19    this way, I think --
 
         20            THE CLERK:  There is a pointer if you need one.
 
         21            MR. WILLIAMS:  May I have a pointer, Your Honor?
 
         22            THE COURT:  We have one right here, Mr. Williams.
 
         23            MR. WILLIAMS:  I have one, Your Honor.
 
         24            BY MR. WILLIAMS:
 
         25       Q.   With regard to the first item that I'm pointing out
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    right now, is that the first page of the life line that's in the
 
          2    notebook?
 
          3       A.   Yes, it is.
 
          4       Q.   And then the second page that's in the notebook for the
 
          5    jurors is this page here?
 
          6       A.   That's correct.
 
          7       Q.   And then do the rest of the -- if you can stand right
 
          8    over here where I am.  And are the rest of the pages in
 
          9    sequential order on this life line going in this direction
 
         10    (indicating)?
 
         11       A.   Yes.
 
         12       Q.   As they appear in the notebook for the jurors?
 
         13       A.   Yes, that's correct.
 
         14       Q.   Now, I notice that there are photographs in that life
 
         15    line.  Are those the photographs that have been admitted into
 
         16    evidence that you testified you obtained, I believe from Sonia
 
         17    Barnette?
 
         18       A.   Those are the photographs, yes.
 
         19       Q.   And there are also, if you could explain briefly to the
 
         20    jury what this life line has in it with regard to the different
 
         21    colors.  I believe there is a color code down here in the lower
 
         22    left-hand page -- lower left-hand corner of each page.  Would
 
         23    you explain what that color code is?
 
         24       A.   Yes.  The magenta or the first color is for Mark's
 
         25    employment during his life, and the green is for every move that
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    he made.  The red is for the violence that has been in his life,
 
          2    and the blue indicates information about significant others.
 
          3       Q.   Okay.  And did you determine or did you make a
 
          4    determination in putting this life line into this form, into a
 
          5    visual exhibit, make determinations as to what went in there?
 
          6       A.   Yes, I did.
 
          7       Q.   And what were the reasons you made those determinations?
 
          8       A.   The determinations were made based on commonly accepted
 
          9    risk factors.
 
         10            MR. CONRAD:  Objection, this witness is not an expert on
 
         11    risk factors, Your Honor.
 
         12            THE COURT:  Sustained.
 
         13            BY MR. WILLIAMS:
 
         14       Q.   In any event, did you take the various events from Mark
 
         15    Barnette's life and place them in this life line?
 
         16       A.   Yes.
 
         17       Q.   And did you obtain that information from the life
 
         18    history that you obtained from your interviews of over 200 hours
 
         19    with various people and reviewing records?
 
         20       A.   Yes, that's right.
 
         21       Q.   Thank you very much, you may take the stand.
 
         22            MR. WILLIAMS:  I believe I have offered that exhibit,
 
         23    Your Honor, but it's offered again to illustrate the testimony
 
         24    of the witnesses and to illustrate the life story of
 
         25    Mr. Barnette in visual form.  You may cross-examine.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1            THE COURT:  Yes, sir.  If you want to move that, you
 
          2    can.
 
          3            MR. CONRAD:  I will leave that for the moment, Your
 
          4    Honor, thank you.
 
          5            THE COURT:  Can you see the witness?
 
          6            MR. CONRAD:  I can.
 
          7            MR. WILLIAMS:  I'll be glad to move it.
 
          8            MR. CONRAD:  I said I would leave it there.
 
          9                            CROSS-EXAMINATION
 
         10            BY MR. CONRAD:
 
         11       Q.   Ms. Maxwell, you indicated that you had some training.
 
         12    What type of training did you have to put together a life line?
 
         13       A.   I have training in the mental health field.  I have a
 
         14    B.A. in psychology from the University of North Carolina at
 
         15    Chapel Hill.  I have been a therapist and an emergency telephone
 
         16    worker at Mecklenburg Mental Health and Gaston Lincoln Mental
 
         17    Health.  I did an internship at Butner while a student in
 
         18    psychology.
 
         19       Q.   How long ago was that?
 
         20       A.   That was in 1975 that I did the internship.
 
         21       Q.   After that, when is the first time you did a life line?
 
         22       A.   That I actually did a life line?
 
         23       Q.   Right.
 
         24       A.   I started doing these life lines in 19 -- putting them
 
         25    on boards like this in 1993.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1       Q.   And that was as a result of some specific training,
 
          2    wasn't it?
 
          3       A.   That was the result of some specific training.
 
          4       Q.   And what specific training was that?
 
          5       A.   I had one-on-one training from the mitigation specialist
 
          6    at the Center for Death Penalty Litigation who is a Master's in
 
          7    social work.
 
          8       Q.   And what is the Center for Death Penalty Litigation to
 
          9    your knowledge?
 
         10       A.   It is a center that studies death penalty cases and
 
         11    provides representation and consultation to defense attorneys.
 
         12       Q.   It's a think tank for defense attorneys with capital
 
         13    cases, correct?
 
         14       A.   That's a synopsis.
 
         15       Q.   And a resource for defense attorneys?
 
         16       A.   That's correct.
 
         17       Q.   And after you had that training, you've done some 14
 
         18    life histories did you say?
 
         19       A.   Yes, sir.
 
         20       Q.   And this is one of them?
 
         21       A.   This is one of them.
 
         22       Q.   Now, your chart has 15 pages in a notebook in three rows
 
         23    on a poster board, does it not?
 
         24       A.   That's correct.
 
         25       Q.   And Donnie Lee Allen and Robin Williams' murder, which
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    this case is all about, is a little tiny circle on the second to
 
          2    last page, correct?
 
          3       A.   Yes, sir, that's where it came in the life line.
 
          4       Q.   Turning your attention to the page which begins with
 
          5    1992, do you have a copy of the notebook in front of you?
 
          6       A.   I do.
 
          7       Q.   Does that --
 
          8       A.   That would be Page 10, the page numbers are in the lower
 
          9    right-hand corner.
 
         10       Q.   Right.  Does that show that the defendant spent 25 days
 
         11    in jail in 1992?
 
         12       A.   That's correct.
 
         13       Q.   And how do you know that?
 
         14       A.   I reviewed his criminal records.
 
         15       Q.   And does that show that soon after he got out of jail,
 
         16    he was arrested again for felonious conduct?
 
         17       A.   That shows that he was arrested in the first of 1993.
 
         18       Q.   Correct.  So soon after he got out of jail, spent 25
 
         19    days in jail for shooting someone, he was arrested again for
 
         20    felonious conduct in the early part of '93, correct?
 
         21       A.   Correct, he got out of jail in June of '92.
 
         22       Q.   Now, I think this orange color is supposed to signify
 
         23    violent events in the defendant's life, is that right?
 
         24       A.   That's correct.
 
         25       Q.   Where in 1993 have you drawn an orange circle showing
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    that the defendant beat the infant children of Crystal Dennis,
 
          2    can you point that out to the jury?
 
          3       A.   I did not color it orange.  What I did was I talked
 
          4    about -- and I did not color it any color actually.  In the
 
          5    beginning of 1993, I talked about the negotiated plea on two
 
          6    counts of cruelty to children.
 
          7       Q.   Did you not indicate there the significance of the event
 
          8    to you on January 28th, 1993 is that Mark was arrested and lost
 
          9    his Blockbuster job, is that the event where he beat the two
 
         10    children of Crystal Dennis, yes or no?
 
         11       A.   Yes, it is.
 
         12       Q.   And anywhere there did you indicate that he beat the two
 
         13    children of Crystal Dennis?
 
         14       A.   I did not -- I indicated --
 
         15       Q.   Yes or no?
 
         16            MR. WILLIAMS:  Well, objection, Your Honor.
 
         17            THE COURT:  She hasn't answered the question.  Very
 
         18    simple, yes or no, and then she can explain.
 
         19            MR. WILLIAMS:  She has a right to explain it, Your
 
         20    Honor.
 
         21            THE WITNESS:  Yes, I did indicate it.
 
         22            BY MR. CONRAD:
 
         23       Q.   And would you show the jury where it is that you
 
         24    indicated that he beat the two children, one age three and one
 
         25    age five, of Crystal Dennis?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1       A.   Underneath where he was arrested for the Blockbuster
 
          2    job, I have that he negotiated a plea of two counts of cruelty
 
          3    to children.
 
          4       Q.   So the significance to you is that he negotiated a plea,
 
          5    not that he beat the two children?
 
          6       A.   I think both are significant.
 
          7       Q.   But only one is reflected, correct?
 
          8       A.   If I could explain why I think both are significant.
 
          9       Q.   I'm asking you if only one of those things is reflected
 
         10    on your chart, can you answer me yes or no?
 
         11       A.   No, both are.
 
         12       Q.   Is it not colored in orange because in your opinion as a
 
         13    mitigation whatever, that you didn't think it was an act of
 
         14    violence?
 
         15            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Object to the mitigation whatever, Your
 
         16    Honor, that's --
 
         17            THE COURT:  Sustain that.
 
         18            BY MR. CONRAD:
 
         19       Q.   Is it not reflected in orange because it wasn't
 
         20    significant to you as a violent episode?
 
         21       A.   Actually, it's not reflected in any color because I
 
         22    think it is both, and I did not have a way of representing both
 
         23    colors on this particular chart.  And so I put it with no color
 
         24    whatsoever because I think that it is both his job, which was
 
         25    significant to him as a person, and it is red as violent.  I did
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    not put --
 
          2       Q.   Where is it red as violent, that's what I don't
 
          3    understand?
 
          4       A.   I didn't put it in any color.
 
          5       Q.   You had no trouble circling Mark's attempted suicide,
 
          6    putting a circle around it and drawing that red, you had no
 
          7    trouble doing that, did you?
 
          8       A.   I had no trouble doing that, because that did not
 
          9    represent two different things at the same time.
 
         10       Q.   Do you know that after he, quote, negotiated the plea
 
         11    for the counts of cruelty to children, that he was put on
 
         12    probation?
 
         13       A.   Yes, I do know that.
 
         14       Q.   And where on your chart is it reflected that he was put
 
         15    on probation?
 
         16       A.   It is not reflected on the chart anywhere as is none of
 
         17    the other -- he was put on probation I believe yet another time,
 
         18    and that isn't represented.
 
         19       Q.   So the fact that he was put on probation twice in his
 
         20    adult life was not a fact that was significant to you enough so
 
         21    that you would put it on the chart?
 
         22       A.   I had to select what I had room to put on the chart, and
 
         23    I didn't select that.
 
         24       Q.   How much room would it have taken to put an arrow like
 
         25    you have here showing that the defendant was put on probation on
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    two occasions?
 
          2       A.   With the criminal records, I suppose I could have done
 
          3    that.  I didn't know that it was going to be a factor.  It is a
 
          4    part of the criminal record and a part of what has been entered,
 
          5    I believe.
 
          6       Q.   Did you ever talk to his probation officers?
 
          7       A.   I did not talk to his probation officers.
 
          8       Q.   Why not?
 
          9       A.   I called down there several times and couldn't find
 
         10    them.
 
         11       Q.   Did you ever talk to any probation officers in North
 
         12    Carolina?
 
         13       A.   No, I did not.
 
         14       Q.   Why not?
 
         15       A.   I was talking to other people.
 
         16       Q.   Uh-huh.  You have listed in 12-93 in red an altercation
 
         17    over Alesha at Bojangles', second degree trespass, Mark taken to
 
         18    the emergency room with head and elbow injuries, do you see
 
         19    that?
 
         20       A.   I do, on Page 11.
 
         21       Q.   Now, you know that that actually didn't happen in
 
         22    December, rather it happened in November, correct?
 
         23       A.   It happened at the very end of November and the
 
         24    beginning of December.
 
         25       Q.   Well, it actually happened November 12th, did it not?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1       A.   No, that was a different incident.
 
          2       Q.   Oh, really?  What happened on November 12th that is
 
          3    different than the Bojangles' incident?
 
          4       A.   I need to refer, I believe, to my records for that.
 
          5    What I remember from the records is that there was one incident
 
          6    where he went into the house and --
 
          7       Q.   When you say went into the house --
 
          8            MR. WILLIAMS:  Objection, Your Honor, he is
 
          9    interrupting.
 
         10            THE COURT:  Excuse me just a minute.  He is asking what
 
         11    she means by went into the house.
 
         12            THE WITNESS:  Went into the home where Alesha Chambers
 
         13    was staying at the time.
 
         14            BY MR. CONRAD:
 
         15       Q.   Kicked in the door?
 
         16       A.   I believe he did kick in that door, yes.
 
         17       Q.   Took her away?
 
         18       A.   Yes.
 
         19       Q.   Would it surprise to you to learn that that happened on
 
         20    November the 8th?
 
         21       A.   Actually, that was a very chaotic time in Mark's life --
 
         22       Q.   No, I'm --
 
         23       A.   -- and it wouldn't surprise me.
 
         24       Q.   But, I mean, you investigated all of this, you looked at
 
         25    police records, you came up with a life chart, and you're
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    telling this jury that on November 12th, Alesha is pregnant,
 
          2    Mark is charged with second degree kidnapping and three counts
 
          3    of assault with a deadly weapon?
 
          4       A.   Yes.
 
          5       Q.   And what incident are you referring to you when you put
 
          6    that on the chart?
 
          7       A.   I was referring to the incident that you were speaking
 
          8    of.
 
          9       Q.   The November 8th incident?
 
         10       A.   November 8th, that's a fine date for me, November -- in
 
         11    November of 1993.
 
         12       Q.   November 8th of 1993?
 
         13       A.   That's fine.
 
         14       Q.   And you know that he went to jail for that?
 
         15       A.   Yes.
 
         16       Q.   And that's not reflected on your chart, is it?
 
         17       A.   He was charged with second degree kidnapping, three
 
         18    counts of assault with a deadly weapon.
 
         19       Q.   You know he got out of jail a couple of days later and
 
         20    assaulted Ms. Chambers at the Bojangles' on November 12th, you
 
         21    know that, don't you?
 
         22       A.   That -- within the span of just a few days, yes, and I
 
         23    think that that is reflected on the chart, and I do have that he
 
         24    went to jail under the December event.
 
         25       Q.   Right.  But you now know the December event actually
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    occurred November 12th?
 
          2       A.   That is very likely.
 
          3       Q.   Now, you referred to it as a, quote, altercation.  You
 
          4    actually know that he held a knife to Alesha Chambers' throat
 
          5    and threatened to kill her, correct?
 
          6       A.   I think that's -- yes, that's what happened.  There
 
          7    were --
 
          8       Q.   Is that what you mean when you use the
 
          9    word "altercation", that the defendant held a knife to someone's
 
         10    throat and threatened to kill her?
 
         11       A.   Basically, yes.  There were -- if I can explain just a
 
         12    little bit, there were other people involved in that incident,
 
         13    and so it was bigger than just holding a knife to somebody's
 
         14    throat.  It was an altercation.
 
         15       Q.   It was much bigger than that.  You know as well that the
 
         16    defendant took that knife and started swinging it at other
 
         17    people, you know that, too, don't you?
 
         18       A.   From reading the criminal records, yes, I do.
 
         19       Q.   Did you ever talk to those witnesses?
 
         20       A.   I did not.
 
         21       Q.   Did you talk to Brent McCrickard, an eyewitness from
 
         22    T.K. Tripp?
 
         23       A.   I need to go back.  I did talk to Alesha Chambers at
 
         24    length.
 
         25       Q.   Did you talk to Brent Casey McCrickard?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1       A.   No, I did not.
 
          2       Q.   Had you talked to her, would you have learned that the
 
          3    defendant swung a knife at --
 
          4            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Objection, Judge, it's entirely
 
          5    speculative.
 
          6            THE COURT:  Overruled.
 
          7            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Had she talked to her, Judge?
 
          8            THE COURT:  Had she talked to her, overruled.
 
          9            THE WITNESS:  Can you repeat the question, please?
 
         10            BY MR. CONRAD:
 
         11       Q.   If you had talked to Ms. McCrickard and she had told you
 
         12    she was an eyewitness to the defendant swinging a knife at
 
         13    several people, would you have put that on the chart?
 
         14            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Objection, it's speculation, Your Honor.
 
         15            THE COURT:  Overruled.
 
         16            THE WITNESS:  I think that I would have put on the chart
 
         17    exactly what I have here, because I can't put everything on the
 
         18    chart, it's a summation.
 
         19            BY MR. CONRAD:
 
         20       Q.   You'd just call it an altercation and leave it at that?
 
         21       A.   I would.
 
         22       Q.   Now, you said that Mark was taken to the emergency
 
         23    room.  Did you list anywhere on the chart that Mark was taken to
 
         24    jail?
 
         25       A.   Yes, right underneath it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1       Q.   This little tiny white box indicating jail?
 
          2       A.   That's correct.
 
          3       Q.   Now, on 3-25-94 you indicate, Mark charged with first
 
          4    degree rape and first degree kidnapping of Alesha Chambers,
 
          5    later dropped?
 
          6       A.   That's correct.
 
          7       Q.   But you don't put that in red?
 
          8       A.   It was later dropped.
 
          9       Q.   Well, you have several -- strike that.  So you don't put
 
         10    something in red unless there is a conviction that results from
 
         11    it, is that correct?
 
         12       A.   No, I think I have several things -- let me look.  If a
 
         13    conviction -- yes, I think that in this situation, I do wait for
 
         14    a conviction of some charges.  Some of the times, some of these
 
         15    charges that I have put in red are dropped or he is convicted of
 
         16    a lesser offense.  For instance, what I indicate as 11-12-93 and
 
         17    what you tell me was 11-8-93 with the arrow, he was later
 
         18    convicted of lesser charges.
 
         19       Q.   He was convicted by a jury beyond a reasonable doubt,
 
         20    correct?
 
         21       A.   Yes.
 
         22       Q.   Now, you had no trouble putting in red, Mark runs away
 
         23    from home, even though that's not a conviction?
 
         24       A.   Can you tell me what page we are on now?
 
         25       Q.   I will just point right here to right before 1980, Mark
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    runs away from home and tells police his father beat him, that
 
          2    was put in red even though there is no conviction?
 
          3       A.   That was put in red because a child running away from
 
          4    home is --
 
          5       Q.   A crime of violence?
 
          6       A.   He said his father beat him.
 
          7       Q.   Was his father convicted of it?
 
          8       A.   No, I put Mark's convictions in red.  I didn't put other
 
          9    people's convictions.
 
         10       Q.   The only information you have that Mark ran away from
 
         11    home is that his father beat him was from Mark?
 
         12       A.   No, I had that information from his father and I had
 
         13    that information from his mother.
 
         14       Q.   On this particular --
 
         15       A.   And I had that information from his little brother.
 
         16            THE COURT:  Wait just a minute, let her finish and then
 
         17    you can ask a question.
 
         18            BY MR. CONRAD:
 
         19       Q.   The red circle you have right before 1990, Mark runs
 
         20    away from home, tells police his father beat him, what
 
         21    specifically do you know about that incident?
 
         22       A.   I had been told about that incident by Mark.
 
         23       Q.   What did he tell you?
 
         24       A.   He went into great depth about why he ran away from
 
         25    home.  He was afraid to go home because of the grade that he
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    had.  And so he went home, nobody was at home when he would come
 
          2    home from school, and he went in, thought about it, thought
 
          3    about what was going to happen because of that grade.  And he
 
          4    drew me a map to the house that he went to up the street and
 
          5    told me what he had for dinner that night at that other house,
 
          6    told me that the police came, talked to the man at that house,
 
          7    told me that the police left, and then his father came up there
 
          8    to pick him up and he hid under the bed and they had to go into
 
          9    this friend's bedroom and drag him out from under the bed.
 
         10    Sonia then told me --
 
         11       Q.   Mark ran away because he was afraid his father might
 
         12    beat him for grades?
 
         13       A.   Yes.
 
         14       Q.   And that's sufficient for you to put it in red even
 
         15    though there is no conviction,, but you don't put in red the
 
         16    fact that he is charged with first degree rape, correct?
 
         17       A.   Now, the charge of first degree rape --
 
         18            THE COURT:  Wait, Ms. Maxwell, answer the question yes
 
         19    or no and then you can explain.
 
         20            THE WITNESS:  Could I get a clarification as to what
 
         21    page that -- is that still on Page 11 that we were talking
 
         22    about?
 
         23            MR. CONRAD:  It's on Page 12.
 
         24            THE WITNESS:  I did not put that in red, and if I may
 
         25    explain again.  It is not put in red, because it was later
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    dropped.
 
          2            BY MR. CONRAD:
 
          3       Q.   Now, you indicated you talked to Alesha Chambers?
 
          4       A.   Yes.
 
          5       Q.   She must have told you that shortly before that, Mark
 
          6    hit her with a baseball bat causing stitches to her arm?
 
          7       A.   Actually, she didn't tell me that.
 
          8       Q.   So the reason that incident is not on here, that act of
 
          9    violence, is because Alesha Chambers didn't tell you about it?
 
         10       A.   Right.
 
         11       Q.   Did Mark tell you about it?
 
         12       A.   I don't think he did, no.
 
         13       Q.   Now, you know that at this time when these acts are
 
         14    occurring that the defendant is on probation, correct?
 
         15       A.   Yes.
 
         16       Q.   Now, you have an entry for 5-24-95 in which --
 
         17       A.   Page 13?
 
         18       Q.   -- you have circled in red, Page 13, circled in red,
 
         19    Robin almost cuts off Mark's finger?
 
         20       A.   That's correct.
 
         21       Q.   There wasn't a conviction for that, was there?
 
         22       A.   There was no conviction for that, no.
 
         23       Q.   But that didn't keep you from circling it and painting
 
         24    it red, did it?
 
         25       A.   No, it didn't keep me from doing that, because I had the
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    medical records.
 
          2       Q.   Tell the jury about what medical records, if any, you
 
          3    gathered in this case.
 
          4       A.   Actually, I had great difficulty gathering records in
 
          5    this case.
 
          6       Q.   I'd actually like for you just to tell the jury what
 
          7    medical records you gathered.
 
          8       A.   Okay.  I gathered the Carolinas Medical Center records
 
          9    for the gunshot wound that Mark suffered January 31st, 1995.  I
 
         10    gathered the Roanoke medical records with the initial finger
 
         11    incident where his finger was cut, May 24th, 1995.
 
         12       Q.   The incident you have on your chart, Robin almost cut
 
         13    off Mark's finger?
 
         14       A.   That's the incident.  The reinjury of his finger on
 
         15    May 30th, 1995.  The Charlotte pediatric records and Family
 
         16    Practice of Lithonia, Georgia medical records were put into the
 
         17    expert's notebook that I compiled as they were interviewing
 
         18    Mark.
 
         19       Q.   And are all of those medical records contained in a
 
         20    notebook that appears before you?
 
         21       A.   These are not all of the medical records we have,
 
         22    though.
 
         23       Q.   What other medical records do you have?
 
         24       A.   We had the -- these are all of the medical records we
 
         25    had on Mark.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1       Q.   Right, and that's what I'm asking about.
 
          2       A.   Okay.
 
          3       Q.   What medical records did you obtain concerning the
 
          4    defendant, Aquilia Marcivicci Barnette?
 
          5       A.   These are the medical records we have.
 
          6       Q.   All of the medical records that you gathered contained
 
          7    in that notebook which says expert's notebook attorneys?
 
          8       A.   Correct.
 
          9            MR. CONRAD:  All right, let me mark that for
 
         10    identification, Your Honor, I'm not sure what number, but I'm
 
         11    going to call it 70.
 
         12            THE COURT:  Well, let's see, Number 69, that's right, it
 
         13    would be 70.
 
         14            BY MR. CONRAD:
 
         15       Q.   Which is a notebook labeled expert's notebook attorneys,
 
         16    and it's your testimony here today that the medical records you
 
         17    gathered in this case related to Aquilia Marcivicci Barnette are
 
         18    all in that notebook?
 
         19       A.   Correct.
 
         20       Q.   And you -- did you send those medical records to the
 
         21    various experts in this case?
 
         22       A.   I sent them to the defense experts.
 
         23       Q.   Okay.  And did you send any other medical records other
 
         24    than what is in the binder labeled Government's Exhibit 70
 
         25    related to the defendant?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1       A.   I faxed to them the birth records.
 
          2       Q.   I'm just talking about medical records.
 
          3       A.   Okay, no.
 
          4       Q.   Now, you indicated that your review of the medical
 
          5    records contained in Government's Exhibit 70 enabled you to draw
 
          6    a circle, color it red and put 5-24-95, Robin almost cuts off
 
          7    Mark's finger, correct?
 
          8       A.   Also my interviews.
 
          9       Q.   I would ask you to turn to Government's Exhibit 70 and
 
         10    find for the jury where it is in that exhibit that there is any
 
         11    indication at all in those medical records that Robin almost cut
 
         12    off Mark's finger.
 
         13       A.   The only indication that is there is that Mark went to
 
         14    the Roanoke hospital with a severely cut finger.
 
         15       Q.   There is no indication at all in those medical records,
 
         16    is there, that Robin cut that finger?
 
         17       A.   Not that Robin cut the finger, no, not in these records.
 
         18       Q.   In fact, the defendant was asked how his injury occurred
 
         19    and he never once in any of those medical records indicated that
 
         20    Robin cut his finger?
 
         21       A.   Not in these records.
 
         22       Q.   So when you told the jury earlier that you had the
 
         23    medical records and as a result you could write, Robin almost
 
         24    cut off Mark's finger, that was incorrect?
 
         25       A.   No, sir.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1       Q.   Well, you now are testifying that that circle comes from
 
          2    something other than the medical records, correct?
 
          3       A.   My interview.
 
          4       Q.   Thank you.  Now, you have entries 9-29-95 and 12-31-95
 
          5    that Angelica is five and little Mark is four, correct?
 
          6       A.   Yes.
 
          7       Q.   And those are significant there because they are
 
          8    significant events in the defendant's life?
 
          9       A.   Correct.
 
         10       Q.   Is there any indication in your chart that the defendant
 
         11    ever went down to Newnan, Georgia to see Angelica or little
 
         12    Mark?
 
         13       A.   Yes.
 
         14       Q.   There is?
 
         15       A.   Ask the question again.
 
         16       Q.   In your efforts in this case, your 200, 300 hours, is
 
         17    there any indication at all that this defendant ever went down
 
         18    to Newnan, Georgia to see Angelica or little Mark?
 
         19       A.   He lived with them for a while.
 
         20       Q.   Well, and when he moved out and came to Charlotte, is
 
         21    there any evidence in your 200, 300 hours that you put in this
 
         22    case that he ever went back to Newnan, Georgia to see his
 
         23    children?
 
         24       A.   No.  What happened was, if I can explain that, what
 
         25    happened was the children were brought up here.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1       Q.   One time?
 
          2       A.   One time.
 
          3       Q.   For one month?
 
          4       A.   My information says that it was more than one month.
 
          5       Q.   But anyways, in 1995 when you have these entries, they
 
          6    are entries because they are significant in the defendant's
 
          7    life, but you have no evidence that he had any contact with
 
          8    those children at all on that occasion, correct?
 
          9       A.   On the occasion of their birthdays?
 
         10       Q.   Where you have listed on the chart significant events in
 
         11    the defendant's life, there's no evidence that he did as much as
 
         12    send a card on those days to those children?
 
         13       A.   No evidence that he sent a card, no.
 
         14       Q.   Called or visited or did anything on those days?
 
         15       A.   I first got these out of his daytimer.  For what it's
 
         16    worth, he did have it indicated in the daytimer.
 
         17       Q.   4-11-96, you have colored in green, which means a move,
 
         18    that Mark is kicked out by Robin and must return to Charlotte,
 
         19    do you see that entry, Page 14?
 
         20       A.   I do.
 
         21       Q.   Is there any indication in there that he took Robin's
 
         22    car and locked her out of the apartment on 4-11-96?
 
         23       A.   No, there is not, and --
 
         24       Q.   Did you become aware that, in fact, he took Robin's car
 
         25    and drove it to Charlotte after he got kicked out?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1       A.   Yes, I knew that.
 
          2       Q.   5-21-96, you have listed in white the purchase of a
 
          3    gun.  Was that the purchase of the murder weapon in this case?
 
          4       A.   I think that it was, yes.
 
          5       Q.   Do you have any -- any indication here that the
 
          6    defendant provided false information to require that murder
 
          7    weapon?
 
          8       A.   No, I think that's in evidence, though.
 
          9       Q.   It's what?
 
         10       A.   I think that's already been put in evidence.
 
         11       Q.   Any indication on this life line of significant events
 
         12    in the defendant's life that the day before, he purchased
 
         13    another pump shotgun?
 
         14       A.   That is not on this life line.
 
         15       Q.   Why isn't it on the life line?
 
         16       A.   I couldn't include everything, and I thought that the
 
         17    purchase of that gun was more significant than the purchase of
 
         18    the other.
 
         19       Q.   Did you even know about the purchase of the first gun?
 
         20       A.   I became aware of it later on.
 
         21       Q.   And when did you become aware of it?
 
         22       A.   I don't know exactly.
 
         23       Q.   You don't remember?
 
         24       A.   Not exactly.
 
         25       Q.   Did you become aware of it as a result of discovery
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    produced in this case and not as a result of anything that the
 
          2    defendant or anybody else in the defense team told you?
 
          3       A.   I did become aware of it as a result of discovery, yes.
 
          4       Q.   The defendant never told you he purchased two illegal
 
          5    weapons, did he, or illegally purchased two weapons, never told
 
          6    you that, did he?
 
          7       A.   No.
 
          8       Q.   And he never told you, or did he tell you that between
 
          9    the fire bombing and the murder that he had gone up to Roanoke,
 
         10    Virginia, did he ever tell you that?
 
         11       A.   No, he did not.
 
         12       Q.   Did he ever tell you that he left cards on the
 
         13    windshield of Robin Williams' car after he fire bombed her
 
         14    apartment and she went to UVA hospital for skin grafts, did he
 
         15    ever tell you that?
 
         16       A.   No.
 
         17       Q.   If he had told you that, would that have been
 
         18    significant enough to put on the time line?
 
         19       A.   I probably would have tried to somehow put it in there
 
         20    with an arrow.
 
         21       Q.   Now, he did tell you, did he not, that he sawed off the
 
         22    shotgun that he illegally purchased on May 21st?
 
         23       A.   Yes.
 
         24       Q.   Where is that on the time line?
 
         25       A.   That is not on the time line.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1       Q.   The commission of a federal felony is not significant
 
          2    enough to be put on the time line, is that correct?
 
          3       A.   I think that it's a significant point, however, I think
 
          4    more significant are the murders, and they are on --
 
          5       Q.   The murders that you have in a little red circle, about
 
          6    the size of a red circle that says, Mark attempted suicide and
 
          7    goes to church, those are the events that you think are more
 
          8    significant?
 
          9       A.   The size of the circles have nothing to do with the
 
         10    significance.
 
         11       Q.   Now, you had plenty -- this life line is three rows long
 
         12    and you had plenty of opportunity to put, Mark is in the seventh
 
         13    grade at Randall Junior High School and circle it in green, but
 
         14    you don't have enough room to put in the fact that he sawed off
 
         15    the barrel of a shotgun and committed a federal felony, you
 
         16    don't have enough room for that?
 
         17       A.   I thought that in the synopses, that that was
 
         18    encompassed in the murders.
 
         19       Q.   You have an entry for 6-25-96 in which you indicate, the
 
         20    defendant turns himself in to the FBI.  Where is it on the time
 
         21    line do you have an entry that he stole a license plate in
 
         22    Knoxville, Tennessee?
 
         23       A.   This is not a detailed account of his life.  His life
 
         24    was detailed in the life history, and this is just a way of
 
         25    helping and organizing information for the jury, for us, so that
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    we can have some kind of perspective on what was going on when.
 
          2       Q.   A detail such as, Mark is enrolled in Beverly Woods
 
          3    Elementary, Sonia begins working at State Farm Insurance,
 
          4    Charlotte are significant enough to put on this chart, but his
 
          5    stealing a license plate is not significant enough to do that?
 
          6       A.   That was all part of the murder and suicide and turning
 
          7    himself in to the FBI.
 
          8       Q.   Uh-huh.  The same with scraping an inspection sticker
 
          9    off of the car?
 
         10       A.   That's correct.
 
         11       Q.   No need to put that on the time line?
 
         12       A.   It all happened in the same event.
 
         13       Q.   Driving a stolen car from Charlotte to Roanoke to
 
         14    Knoxville, Tennessee to Charlotte again, committing the federal
 
         15    felony of interstate transportation of stolen property, that's
 
         16    not significant enough to put on the time line?
 
         17       A.   That is on the time line under the Donald Allen and
 
         18    Robin Williams.
 
         19       Q.   Show me where that is.
 
         20       A.   It is encompassed in the same event is what I'm saying.
 
         21       Q.   And it includes future events after Robin is killed and
 
         22    he drives to Tennessee and he drives back, that's all
 
         23    encompassed in that?
 
         24       A.   In my opinion.
 
         25       Q.   Where is it on the time line that the defendant called
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    his cousin Shondra Nero from Tennessee and was told that the FBI
 
          2    was at his mother's house, where is that?
 
          3       A.   It is not on there.
 
          4       Q.   Where is it that he hid the car behind the shopping
 
          5    center, having driven back to Charlotte with stolen license
 
          6    plates and scraped off the inspection sticker, not on there?
 
          7       A.   No.
 
          8       Q.   How about dumping critical evidence in the dumpster,
 
          9    including the shotgun and other evidence, is that on the time
 
         10    line?
 
         11       A.   I did not diagram the events of the murder and directly
 
         12    before and directly afterwards.  I did indicate the loss of
 
         13    these two lives on this life line.
 
         14       Q.   In that one circle on this three-row life line?
 
         15       A.   Right.
 
         16            MR. CONRAD:  That's all I have, Your Honor.
 
         17            THE COURT:  Redirect?
 
         18                          REDIRECT EXAMINATION
 
         19            BY MR. WILLIAMS:
 
         20       Q.   Just one question, Ms. Maxwell, just to sum this up.
 
         21    Your purpose in preparing this life line for lawyers and the
 
         22    experts and this jury was simply, or was it, to illustrate the
 
         23    life of Mark Barnette and was not prepared for the purpose of
 
         24    putting every single item of his life in that one document, was
 
         25    it?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1       A.   I could not do that.
 
          2       Q.   You had those itemized events in your life history which
 
          3    was written, is that correct?
 
          4       A.   That's correct, it was 32 pages.
 
          5            MR. WILLIAMS:  No further questions.
 
          6            MR. CONRAD:  Just one, Your Honor.
 
          7                           RECROSS-EXAMINATION
 
          8            BY MR. CONRAD:
 
          9       Q.   Your purpose of doing this was to present the picture of
 
         10    the defendant's life that you wanted the jury to see and the
 
         11    defense attorneys to see, correct?
 
         12       A.   I illustrated it to the best of my ability.
 
         13            MR. CONRAD:  That's all I have.
 
         14            MR. WILLIAMS:  No further questions.
 
         15            THE COURT:  Thank you, ma'am.  Is your next witness long
 
         16    or short?
 
         17            MR. WILLIAMS:  The next witness is a little lengthy, and
 
         18    going to be our last live witness.
 
         19            THE COURT:  In that case, we will go ahead and take the
 
         20    morning recess a little early because we don't want to get right
 
         21    in the middle of the next witness.  Do not discuss the case
 
         22    among yourselves.
 
         23            Now, one thing I forgot to ask you again this morning,
 
         24    have any of you seen -- you can step down, Ms. Maxwell.
 
         25            THE WITNESS:  Okay.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1            THE COURT:  Have any of you seen, heard or read anything
 
          2    overnight or talked to anybody about this case overnight in any
 
          3    way.
 
          4            (Jurors shake heads.)
 
          5            THE COURT:  I take it you have not.  Thank you so much.
 
          6    Do not discuss the case among yourselves while you are out,
 
          7    please.
 
          8            (The jury left the courtroom.)
 
          9            MR. WILLIAMS:  May I move this, Your Honor?
 
         10            THE COURT:  Yes, sir.  Recess until 10:40.
 
         11                 (Brief recess.)
 
         12            THE COURT:  Did somebody want to talk about something?
 
         13            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, may I be heard on a couple of
 
         14    matters before the next witness takes the stand?
 
         15            THE COURT:  Yes, sir.
 
         16            MR. CONRAD:  The first matter I would like to be heard
 
         17    on is I think the Court is about ready to hear expert testimony,
 
         18    and we intend to present expert testimony as well.  And I should
 
         19    have done this yesterday and I omitted to do it, but I would ask
 
         20    the Court the give an instruction to the jury with respect to
 
         21    expert testimony.  You have done that before in the guilt phase
 
         22    of a trial, and I filed a -- I just now have filed a request to
 
         23    instruct the jury as to what an expert -- what weight the jury
 
         24    may give to expert testimony.  It's exactly the same instruction
 
         25    you gave during the guilt phase of the trial, and I would ask
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    the Court to assist the jury by giving that instruction.
 
          2            THE COURT:  All right, let me see what you've got here.
 
          3            MR. WILLIAMS:  Well, we would object, Your Honor, simply
 
          4    as to the instruction being given at this time.  Certainly at
 
          5    the appropriate time during jury instructions, that would be
 
          6    appropriate, but to do it now, it would emphasize this
 
          7    particular witness.  It would put an emphasis on this particular
 
          8    witness, and I think it would be inappropriate.  It was not done
 
          9    on other witnesses, and I just ask that you give that
 
         10    instruction at the end of the case.
 
         11            THE COURT:  Well, let me see what it says.  Is it the
 
         12    usual routine instruction?
 
         13            MR. CONRAD:  Yes, sir.  It's the instruction you gave
 
         14    during the guilt phase of the trial.
 
         15            THE COURT:  Who is this witness?
 
         16            MR. WILLIAMS:  It's Dr. Mark Cunningham, Your Honor.
 
         17            MR. CONRAD:  And it's not directed at him, Your Honor.
 
         18    I should have asked you to do it yesterday when the other two
 
         19    experts testified and I just forgot about it.  Dr. Cunningham is
 
         20    going to testify and we're going to have an expert testifying in
 
         21    rebuttal, and I think it would help the jury to be reminded of
 
         22    the purpose of expert testimony in this case.
 
         23            THE COURT:  Why is it necessary, Mr. Conrad?  I mean,
 
         24    I'm going to give the same thing, they've heard it before.  I
 
         25    just don't see why it's necessary.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1            MR. CONRAD:  I think they were instructed in the guilt
 
          2    phase, but they haven't been instructed on that point in the --
 
          3            THE COURT:  Well, I will give them an instruction at the
 
          4    end of the case, but I really don't think it's necessary to do
 
          5    that now.  I don't know why the defendant is objecting, I don't
 
          6    see what difference it makes, but, I mean --
 
          7            MR. WILLIAMS:  Well, I think it just -- I would rather,
 
          8    Your Honor, do it at the appropriate time.
 
          9            THE COURT:  All right, sir, I will sustain the
 
         10    objection.
 
         11            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, I have a second motion in
 
         12    limine concerning the testimony of Dr. Cunningham if I could be
 
         13    heard on that.
 
         14            THE COURT:  All right, sir, let me see what this is.
 
         15            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, I have reviewed a transcript of
 
         16    Mr. Cunningham's testimony in the case United States v. Hardy,
 
         17    et al., 94381, Eastern District of Louisiana, April 30th, 1996.
 
         18    In that case, and I have got a transcript attached to the back
 
         19    of my motion, at the bottom of the transcript page, the
 
         20    defendant, this expert witness testified, clearly he is
 
         21    personally responsible, he will spend the rest of his life in
 
         22    federal prison, that is a just sentence.  Your Honor, this
 
         23    witness has no business testifying to such a conclusion.
 
         24            THE COURT:  Is he in the courtroom, is he here?
 
         25            AGENT MODZELEWSKI:  Yes, sir, I think.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1            THE COURT:  Dr. Cunningham, you do not give that
 
          2    statement, do you understand that?
 
          3            UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:  Yes, sir.
 
          4            MR. CONRAD:  Thank you, Your Honor.
 
          5            THE COURT:  The statement was, clearly he is personally
 
          6    responsible, he will spend the rest of his life in federal
 
          7    prison, this is a just sentence.  That's not for you to decide
 
          8    and not for me decide, do you understand that?
 
          9            UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:  Yes, sir.
 
         10            THE COURT:  All right, thank you.
 
         11            MR. CONRAD:  Thank you, Your Honor.  The second part of
 
         12    that motion deals with what I anticipate this witness to testify
 
         13    to.  I've reviewed prior transcripts, and he spends a great deal
 
         14    of time talking about a high security prison facility in
 
         15    Colorado Springs, near Colorado Springs, Colorado called ADX.
 
         16    In the course of that testimony, he shows a number of
 
         17    photographs of a prison cell at this facility, and the
 
         18    photographs are of such things as anchored toilets and other
 
         19    security measures at that institution.
 
         20            This witness is not a Bureau of Prisons official, has
 
         21    never worked within a penal institution, does not have firsthand
 
         22    knowledge of classification or designation procedures, and that
 
         23    type of testimony does not fall within the purview of a forensic
 
         24    psychologist.  And Your Honor, the point of my motion is unless
 
         25    the defendants can show that, in fact, this defendant would be
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    sentenced and sent to the prison facility in Colorado Springs,
 
          2    Colorado, then that testimony confuses the jury, it misleads
 
          3    them, and that confusion and misleading outweighs any probative
 
          4    force of the testimony.
 
          5            I would ask the Court to prohibit this defendant from
 
          6    talking about the ADX facility at all unless the defense can
 
          7    show that this defendant is going to be sent there, and I don't
 
          8    believe they can show that.
 
          9            THE COURT:  All right, sir.
 
         10            MR. WILLIAMS:  If Your Honor please, I have for Your
 
         11    Honor a book which is marked Defendant's Exhibit 59 which shows
 
         12    the illustrations that are going to be used by Dr. Cunningham in
 
         13    his presentation to the jury.  I have already provided those and
 
         14    additional overheads to the government.
 
         15            The reference the government makes is part of
 
         16    Dr. Cunningham's presentation as an expert in risk assessment
 
         17    where he's testified on six or seven, at least six or seven
 
         18    occasions in Federal Court qualifying as an expert in forensic
 
         19    psychology in the evaluation of risk assessment.  And in that
 
         20    presentation, there are references with regard to the
 
         21    available -- the availability of different types of maximum
 
         22    security in the federal prison system, and it's clearly relevant
 
         23    to the issue of future dangerousness that the government has
 
         24    alleged in its notice alleging that this man, our client, will
 
         25    be a future danger and the only position and situation that
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    could be created for him where he is sentenced to life, that
 
          2    would be in federal prison.  In other words, the jury has a
 
          3    right to know that in federal prison, if he were given a
 
          4    sentence of life without the possibility of release, that there
 
          5    are different types of custodial and security type prisons
 
          6    anywhere from a U.S. minimum security prison to an ADX Florence
 
          7    control unit maximum security units, one of which is the
 
          8    administrative maximum in Florence, Colorado which he -- which
 
          9    is in this book.  I will be glad to tender it to the Court so
 
         10    you can look at this overhead.
 
         11            THE COURT:  That's all right, I've got it.
 
         12            MR. LAUGHRUN:  And would testify that he has been in
 
         13    that prison.  I believe he's been in that particular prison.
 
         14            UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:  Yes, I have.
 
         15            MR. WILLIAMS:  That he has viewed these particular
 
         16    cells, he has viewed this particular prison and has firsthand
 
         17    knowledge of what the security measures are in that particular
 
         18    maximum security prison.  It's an offering of, ladies and
 
         19    gentlemen of the jury, here is an inmate that's going into the
 
         20    prison system that has within the federal prison system
 
         21    available different types of security, and this is one of the
 
         22    maximum types of security that would be available to him.
 
         23            Now, or available, that's up to the federal prison
 
         24    system, but I think the jury clearly has the right to know what
 
         25    they can expect, what is there in the federal prison system when
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    the government has alleged and has the burden to prove beyond a
 
          2    reasonable doubt that he is going to be a danger in the future
 
          3    in the prison system of the federal system, and I think that's
 
          4    clearly relevant, particularly since he has firsthand knowledge
 
          5    of it.
 
          6            MR. CONRAD:  Judge, he has knowledge of that prison
 
          7    facility, he does not have knowledge of the classification and
 
          8    designation procedures.  In order for that testimony to be
 
          9    relevant at all, they have to show that this defendant would be
 
         10    sent to that prison facility.  Without being able to show that,
 
         11    the information is prejudicial, it's confusing and it's
 
         12    misleading, and they shouldn't be entitled go into it.
 
         13            MR. WILLIAMS:  You see, the problem, Your Honor, is that
 
         14    the government doesn't want this jury to know, I respectfully
 
         15    argue, that there are maximum security units within the federal
 
         16    prison system.  If the Federal Bureau of Prisons decides that
 
         17    this man is a maximum risk, is something in the system available
 
         18    for a security measure to protect society and to protect others
 
         19    and put him in that position.  Now, that's something that this
 
         20    jury ought to have the available information to make a decision
 
         21    on life or death in this particular case.  Otherwise, the
 
         22    government is attempting to hide from them these available
 
         23    maximum security measures.
 
         24            THE COURT:  I disagree with you.  I think that the --
 
         25            MR. LAUGHRUN:  May I add something briefly?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1            THE COURT:  Yes, sir.
 
          2            MR. LAUGHRUN:  There is also a perception by the public
 
          3    of federal prisons that they are just like Seymore Johnson,
 
          4    they're just like Maxwell Air Force Base, that they go down and
 
          5    they play tennis, you know, that they sit out in the sun, go
 
          6    boating.  That's the perception some people have of federal
 
          7    facilities.  Now, if this defendant is sentenced to life, three
 
          8    life terms plus 400 years, he is not going to a club fed, he is
 
          9    going to go to a level one or an administrative unit.  That's a
 
         10    fact of life.  And sure, it's up to BOP to designate him, and
 
         11    the government is free to cross-examine Dr. Cunningham about
 
         12    that.  Sure, the designation is up to BOP.  We have a right to
 
         13    present that, that he is not going to a club fed down in
 
         14    Montgomery, Alabama or Seymore Johnson Air Force Base or
 
         15    whatever.
 
         16            MR. CONRAD:  Judge, my point is they could have brought
 
         17    that kind of witness, they could have brought a Bureau of Prison
 
         18    official here to talk to the jury.  They couldn't be able to
 
         19    bring a forensic psychologist from Abilene, Texas to talk about
 
         20    it just because he went and --
 
         21            THE COURT:  Well, even if you brought a Bureau of Prison
 
         22    official, he couldn't say where this man is going to be
 
         23    imprisoned and it's really irrelevant.  The jury will be
 
         24    instructed that the defendant will be sentenced to life, if he
 
         25    is sentenced to life, that he will never be released, and that's
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    the only thing they need to know.  We are not going to get into
 
          2    the different prisons, so I'll sustain -- I mean, I'll grant the
 
          3    motion in limine.  It's prejudicial, unnecessary, irrelevant,
 
          4    and I'm just not going to instruct them on that or let him
 
          5    testify as to that.
 
          6            MR. WILLIAMS:  May I have a moment, Your Honor, to
 
          7    adjust this exhibit in accordance with Your Honor's instruction?
 
          8            THE COURT:  Yes, sir.
 
          9            MR. WILLIAMS:  Your Honor, we will not ask
 
         10    Dr. Cunningham about the administrative maximum prison unit in
 
         11    Florence, Colorado or show any photographs of any cells.  But
 
         12    there is an overhead that deals with custody options dated June
 
         13    1997, and we would ask that we be permitted, and I will be glad
 
         14    to show Your Honor what it looks like if I may approach the
 
         15    bench.
 
         16            THE COURT:  All right.
 
         17            (Pause.)
 
         18            THE COURT:  Okay, custody options, minimum security,
 
         19    what do you want me to do?
 
         20            MR. WILLIAMS:  We just want to be able to tell them what
 
         21    the possible different, with regard to risk assessment, the
 
         22    different types of security prisons that are available, not
 
         23    saying which one he is going to go to.
 
         24            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, my objection to that is this
 
         25    guy is a forensic psychologist who has no specialty in that area
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    whatsoever.  The defense could have subpoenaed any Bureau of
 
          2    Prison official to come in here and talk about those kind of
 
          3    custody options.
 
          4            MR. WILLIAMS:  Judge, in his expert area of risk
 
          5    assessment, he's written a paper on this.  It's been reviewed by
 
          6    his peers.  He is extremely well regarded in his profession in
 
          7    the area of risk assessment.  Part of his expertise in risk
 
          8    assessment involves assessing the risk, and one way to assess
 
          9    the risk, let this jury know what is going to be going on in the
 
         10    real word with this man when he goes in the prison system, is to
 
         11    tell the jury what is available.  We are just not saying where
 
         12    he is going to go, but saying, this is what is available in the
 
         13    Federal Bureau of Prisons.  Dr. Cunningham is well aware through
 
         14    his expertise about those options.  It's part of his study.  I
 
         15    mean, he has reviewed literature after literature after
 
         16    literature.  He has reviewed study after study after study on
 
         17    risk assessment.  This is all part of his expertise, Your Honor,
 
         18    it's part of the risk assessment.
 
         19            MR. CONRAD:  Judge, as a forensic psychologist, he can
 
         20    talk about whether this particular defendant, based upon what
 
         21    he's studied and what research he's looked at, whether he is a
 
         22    future danger, but he has no expertise in the Bureau of Prisons
 
         23    classification procedures, designation procedures, and he
 
         24    shouldn't be allowed to extrapolate from his testimony about the
 
         25    future dangerousness of this defendant to the classification
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    procedures and the custody options in the Bureau of Prisons.
 
          2            MR. WILLIAMS:  He is not stating his opinion, Your
 
          3    Honor, he is stating a fact.  This is fact.  These are what the
 
          4    Federal Bureau of Prisons has available for people who go into
 
          5    the system.  It's not an opinion.
 
          6            MR. CONRAD:  He is not qualified to do that.
 
          7            MR. WILLIAMS:  Why is he not qualified as part of his
 
          8    risk assessment expertise to tell them what is, in fact, true
 
          9    based on his own personal knowledge and expertise?
 
         10            MR. CONRAD:  Mr. Williams and I could --
 
         11            THE COURT:  Wait a minute, are you through?
 
         12            MR. WILLIAMS:  I mean, that's -- to simply have an
 
         13    expert come in here and be able to talk about risk assessment
 
         14    and then be shut off and not be able to tell the jury and hide
 
         15    from the jury, well, now I'm telling you about risk assessment,
 
         16    I'm an expert in it, but I don't want to tell you what is
 
         17    available there, we don't want to talk about that.  They need to
 
         18    know that, they have a right to know.  That's part of the
 
         19    sentencing decision and part of the knowledge that they have to
 
         20    know.  Why?  Because the government has alleged he is a future
 
         21    danger.  We have a right to present evidence, if Your Honor
 
         22    please, to rebut that through an expert who has personal
 
         23    knowledge of those facts.
 
         24            MR. CONRAD:  He is not an expert.  I mean, Mr. Williams
 
         25    and I could read research and read a book on Bureau of Prisons
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    and find out what the custody options are, doesn't make us an
 
          2    expert.  He is a forensic psychologist.
 
          3            MR. WILLIAMS:  Doesn't need to be an expert.
 
          4            MR. CONRAD:  Well --
 
          5            MR. WILLIAMS:  To state a fact.
 
          6            MR. CONRAD:  He has to be an expert to read the
 
          7    literature and testify to that hearsay.  He has to be an expert
 
          8    to do that.
 
          9            MR. WILLIAMS:  Your Honor --
 
         10            MR. CONRAD:  Mr. Williams and --
 
         11            THE COURT:  Wait just a minute.
 
         12            MR. WILLIAMS:  I'm sorry, I apologize.
 
         13            MR. CONRAD:  As a lawyer, I could read a book on Bureau
 
         14    of Prisons, but I could not get up there on the stand and say,
 
         15    as a result of my reading this book, here are the options.  I'm
 
         16    not qualified to do it and neither is this forensic
 
         17    psychologist.
 
         18            MR. WILLIAMS:  Your Honor, one last thing, Rule 702 or
 
         19    703 I believe it is of the Federal Rules of Evidence provide
 
         20    clearly that an expert can base part of his opinion, his opinion
 
         21    is going to be in risk assessment, says that the facts or data
 
         22    in the particular case upon which an expert bases an opinion or
 
         23    inference may be those perceived by or made known to the expert
 
         24    at or before the hearing.  And if it's something that he's read
 
         25    and had knowledge of, it comes in under 703.  703 also says if a
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    type reasonably relied upon by experts in the particular field
 
          2    in forming opinions, which would be on risk assessment, or
 
          3    inferences upon the subject, the facts or data need not be
 
          4    admissible in evidence.  So that's something that he is relying
 
          5    on as an expert.  Clearly it should come in under 703.
 
          6            THE COURT:  Mr. Conrad, I think you could stipulate
 
          7    these are available, couldn't you?
 
          8            MR. CONRAD:  I could, I just don't want this man
 
          9    pretending to be an expert on that in front of the jury.
 
         10            MR. WILLIAMS:  He is not pretending, Your Honor, he is
 
         11    an expert.
 
         12            MR. CONRAD:  I will stipulate that these options are
 
         13    available, I have no problem with that.  I don't want a witness
 
         14    who is not qualified to render an opinion to say that.  If you
 
         15    will instruct the jury that these options are available, I have
 
         16    no problem with that.
 
         17            THE COURT:  Well, he is not going to express an opinion
 
         18    on this, is he, Mr. Williams?
 
         19            MR. WILLIAMS:  It's a fact, he is not expressing any
 
         20    opinion.  I mean, he is going to be qualified, I think very
 
         21    clearly, as an expert in forensic psychology in the area of risk
 
         22    assessment with regard to, I have the exact language here, and
 
         23    part of that is going to be stating facts as a basis for his
 
         24    opinion.  He is net going to give any opinion about the place.
 
         25    We have already been prevented from showing them pictures of
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    this facility or any facility.  We are just stating, look,
 
          2    ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this is what is available.
 
          3            Now, he is an expert in risk assessment.  I just
 
          4    respectfully say to Your Honor, clearly he ought to be able to
 
          5    say that.  I mean, there is nothing magic about that.
 
          6            MR. CONRAD:  If Your Honor would consider limiting his
 
          7    testimony solely to these options without any further opinion or
 
          8    elaboration, I would withdraw my objection to that.
 
          9            MR. WILLIAMS:  Well, I think that's what I understood
 
         10    the Court was instructing us.
 
         11            THE COURT:  All right, do that then and we'll go with
 
         12    that, no opinions, just state what is available.
 
         13            MR. WILLIAMS:  Yes, sir.
 
         14            THE COURT:  All right, ready to go?
 
         15            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Judge, can we offer for the record the
 
         16    Defendant's Exhibit I've marked as 59A, the ADX --
 
         17            THE COURT:  Oh, yeah, sure.
 
         18            MR. LAUGHRUN:  -- information and photographs photograph
 
         19    that Your Honor sustained an objection to?
 
         20            THE COURT:  Yes, sir, that's fine.
 
         21            MR. LAUGHRUN:  If I could approach the Clerk with that.
 
         22            THE COURT:  Are we ready for the jury?
 
         23            MR. WILLIAMS:  As I understand, I want to make sure I
 
         24    understand and my expert understands what you are saying, Your
 
         25    Honor, are you -- what he is -- what we are requesting is that
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    the jury be allowed to not only list what is available, but to
 
          2    tell the jury in a Super Max situation what it's like.  In other
 
          3    words, it involves a single cell bar door and steel door, window
 
          4    faces the inner recreation yard, 23 hour a day lockdown, meals
 
          5    in the cell, double escort, shackled behind the back, one to two
 
          6    15-minute phone calls monthly monitored, no contact visits,
 
          7    glass has one-hour hammer rating monitored, mail is x-rayed,
 
          8    opened and read.  He knows that of his own personal knowledge as
 
          9    part of his expertise in risk assessment.
 
         10            I think the jury has a right to know that this isn't a
 
         11    country club, this is what is what we are talking about here and
 
         12    they are having to decide what the sentence is.  So I think they
 
         13    have a clear right to know, what are we taking about, are we
 
         14    talking about a prison in the federal system where he is going
 
         15    to go play tennis and go out on passes and he's going to have a
 
         16    nice time, or are we talking about the realities of life as an
 
         17    available possibility in the system.
 
         18            MR. CONRAD:  Judge, they want a concession out of the
 
         19    government, they obtained that concession, now they're going
 
         20    back in the back door to talk about this facility that they have
 
         21    no qualifications to talk about.  They can't talk about a
 
         22    facility unless they can show that this man is going to be sent
 
         23    to that facility, and that's not through this witness.  They
 
         24    could have --
 
         25            THE COURT:  Well, we are not talking about any one
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    facility.
 
          2            MR. CONRAD:  Yes, they are, they're talking --
 
          3    everything Mr. Williams just told you comes from this ADX
 
          4    Florence facility in Colorado Springs, Colorado, and they
 
          5    haven't established that this man is going to be sent there.
 
          6            MR. WILLIAMS:  The concern I have, Your Honor, is this:
 
          7    Let's say the jury is back there deliberating on this moral
 
          8    judgment as to what to do in sentencing this man.  They go back
 
          9    there and start talking about, well, if we sentence him to life
 
         10    without the possibility of release, what kind of prison is he
 
         11    going to be sent to, what is there available there?  And I think
 
         12    that's part of their decision making right to know, and in that
 
         13    process it ought to be told.  They ought to have that
 
         14    information available that, you know, if they go back and one
 
         15    juror says, well, gosh what if he gets in the prison system and
 
         16    becomes violent and they've got to find a particular place for
 
         17    this man in the Federal Bureau system, does that place exist?
 
         18    We are simply saying to the jury that kind of place exists if
 
         19    that happens, and I think they have a right to know that in
 
         20    order to make an intelligent decision on a severe, severe moral
 
         21    judgment as this.
 
         22            THE COURT:  Well, I think you can say that's what is
 
         23    available in the prisons, but -- and Mr. Conrad, of course, can
 
         24    cross-examine him as to facts that he doesn't know where he is
 
         25    going to be sent.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1            MR. WILLIAMS:  He can do that, sure.
 
          2            THE COURT:  In fact, I could always tell them that
 
          3    myself, because I never have been able to direct anybody
 
          4    anywhere.
 
          5            MR. WILLIAMS:  All right, sir.
 
          6            THE COURT:  All right, ready to go.  Call the jury.
 
          7            (The jury returned to the courtroom.)
 
          8            THE COURT:  Members of the jury, the heat is supposed to
 
          9    be on, so hopefully you can take off your coats sometime during
 
         10    this session, but don't plan on it until you get the heat.
 
         11            All right, call your next witness.
 
         12            MR. WILLIAMS:  Thank you, Judge Potter, the defense
 
         13    calls Dr. Mark Cunningham.
 
         14                        MARK DOUGLAS CUNNINGHAM,
 
         15    being first duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows:
 
         16                           DIRECT EXAMINATION
 
         17            BY MR. WILLIAMS:
 
         18       Q.   Will you please tell the ladies and gentlemen of the
 
         19    jury your name?
 
         20       A.   Mark Douglas Cunningham.
 
         21       Q.   Please try and remember that if you get too close to
 
         22    that microphone, you get a kickback.
 
         23       A.   Yes, sir.
 
         24       Q.   Where do you live?
 
         25       A.   I live in Abilene, Texas.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1       Q.   And how long have you lived in Abilene, Texas?
 
          2       A.   Since 1981.
 
          3       Q.   And what is your current status?
 
          4       A.   I'm a clinical and forensic psychologist in private
 
          5    practice.
 
          6       Q.   And what is a clinical psychologist?
 
          7       A.   A clinical psychologist is a psychologist who evaluates
 
          8    and treats emotional disorders through testing and
 
          9    psychotherapy, counseling, couples therapy.  A forensic
 
         10    psychologist is a psychologist who applies psychological
 
         11    research and techniques to legal issues, things like child
 
         12    custody determinations in a family law arena, or in a civil
 
         13    case, evaluating psychological injuries that someone might have
 
         14    sustained, in a criminal arena, evaluating questions of
 
         15    competency to stand trial or mental state at time of offense, or
 
         16    competency to weigh various rights or sentencing determination
 
         17    issues such as we are talking about today.
 
         18       Q.   Would you tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what
 
         19    your education is, please, sir?
 
         20       A.   Sure.  I got my undergraduate degree, my Bachelor's
 
         21    Degree from Abilene Christian College, it's now Abilene
 
         22    Christian University, and that was in 1973.  My majors were in
 
         23    mass communication and also in psychology, and I graduated with
 
         24    high honors there.  I then attended a doctoral program in
 
         25    clinical psychology at Oklahoma State University, and that
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    training was accredited by the American Psychological
 
          2    Association as a doctorate training program in clinical
 
          3    psychology, and received both my Master's and Ph.D. from
 
          4    Oklahoma State in clinical psychology.
 
          5            I then did a one-year clinical psychology internship at
 
          6    the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland while I
 
          7    was also an active duty naval officer, and then served as a
 
          8    staff psychologist at the Naval Submarine Medical Center in
 
          9    Groton, Connecticut and while there did a couple of years of
 
         10    postdoctoral study at Yale, and have participated very actively
 
         11    in continuing education since that time as well.
 
         12       Q.   Are you board certified?
 
         13       A.   Yes, I am.
 
         14       Q.   Would you tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what
 
         15    it means to be board certified?
 
         16       A.   Well, I am a diplomate of the American Board of Forensic
 
         17    Psychology, which is a subspecialty board of the American Board
 
         18    of Professional Psychology.  The steps that are involved in
 
         19    becoming board certified in forensic psychology within this
 
         20    organization require you to have at least five years of
 
         21    experience after your Ph.D.  You have to have a significant
 
         22    number of hours in specific forensic practice.  You make
 
         23    application and they do a licensing and ethics check and that
 
         24    sort of thing, and then if you are allowed to submit an
 
         25    application, you submit a work sample which is a scholarly work
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    product.
 
          2            You send a couple of examples of your work along with
 
          3    relevant research and case law to demonstrate your familiarity
 
          4    with these forensic issues and research that might be associated
 
          5    with them, and that work product is critically evaluated by
 
          6    other board certified forensic psychologists.  And if that's
 
          7    deemed acceptable, you are allowed to sit for an oral exam that
 
          8    is about a three-hour exam.  It's administered by three people,
 
          9    three board certified psychologists in this forensic area who
 
         10    examine you about both the areas that you focus on in a more
 
         11    specialized way as well as the whole breadth of the field of
 
         12    forensic psychology.
 
         13       Q.   What is the failure rate of that oral examination?
 
         14       A.   Historically the failure rate of the oral exam has been
 
         15    about 40 percent.
 
         16       Q.   Is that throughout the United States?
 
         17       A.   That's correct.
 
         18       Q.   How many board certified forensic psychologists are
 
         19    there in the United States?
 
         20       A.   Less than 200.
 
         21       Q.   Are you one of them?
 
         22       A.   Yes, I am.
 
         23       Q.   Will you tell the jury about your past experience
 
         24    professionally, that is, with regard to academic appointments
 
         25    and clinical experience?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1       A.   Yes, I will.  I was teaching assistant during my
 
          2    graduate training at Oklahoma State and instructed classes in
 
          3    introductory psychology, and was also a teaching assistant and
 
          4    coordinated the lab of an individual intelligence testing class
 
          5    that was taught at the graduate level.  There was a professor
 
          6    who taught the class.  I handled the lab part of that under his
 
          7    direction.
 
          8            My first professional appointment was as a staff
 
          9    clinical psychologist at the Naval Submarine Medical Center
 
         10    where I was stationed for about three and a half years in
 
         11    Groton, New London, Connecticut.  I left the Navy in 1981 and
 
         12    returned to Abilene and for a couple of years was a full-time
 
         13    assistant professor of psychology at Hardin Simmons University
 
         14    and started a part-time practice during those same years.  In
 
         15    1983, I resigned that academic position and was just in
 
         16    full-time private practice and have been in full-time practice
 
         17    since 1983.
 
         18       Q.   Now, what professional publications do you have,
 
         19    Dr. Cunningham?
 
         20       A.   I have three publications that have been accepted or
 
         21    have been published and peer reviewed.
 
         22       Q.   What does peer reviewed mean?
 
         23       A.   Well, peer reviewed means that -- it's a scientific
 
         24    journal, and when you send a research study or a paper into it,
 
         25    then they send that paper out to review with people who are
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    experts in that area.  And they evaluate whether or not your
 
          2    methodology is sound and whether this is deemed of sufficient
 
          3    scholarly significance and has been appropriately done to be, in
 
          4    fact, published as a paper in a scientific journal.
 
          5            The first paper that I had published in that way was my
 
          6    dissertation that had to do with the area of learning
 
          7    disabilities.  More recently, I have two papers that are in
 
          8    press with the Journal of Behavioral Science and the Law, which
 
          9    is one of the primary forensic psychology journals.
 
         10       Q.   Have any of those publications dealt with violence risk
 
         11    assessments at capital sentencing?
 
         12       A.   Yes, they have.  The title of one of these papers that's
 
         13    currently in press, in press means it's been accepted and
 
         14    approved and it is in line for one of the publications that are
 
         15    coming up across the coming months, the paper that deals most
 
         16    specifically with risk assessments is entitled, Integrating Base
 
         17    Rate Data in Risk Assessments at Capital Sentencing, in other
 
         18    words, applying actuarial, statistical techniques to evaluations
 
         19    of violence risk or future dangerousness in capital sentencing
 
         20    proceedings.  And as I said, that paper is currently in press.
 
         21       Q.   All right.
 
         22       A.   There is a second paper that involves antisocial
 
         23    personality disorder and psychopathy and the diagnostic dilemma
 
         24    that can be present in a sentencing determination of trying to
 
         25    categorize patterns of antisocial behavior.  And so that's a
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    second paper that's also in press with Behavioral Sciences and
 
          2    the Law.
 
          3       Q.   Does that second paper, does that deal with forensic
 
          4    psychology?
 
          5       A.   Yes, it does, in a sentencing determination issue.  I
 
          6    would also add that both of these papers are co-authored with a
 
          7    colleague of mine, Dr. Thomas J. Reedy, who is the second author
 
          8    of each of those papers.
 
          9       Q.   And what professional affiliations do you have?
 
         10       A.   I am a member of the American Psychological Association,
 
         11    I am a fellow of the American Academy of Forensic Psychology
 
         12    which is the scholarly organization of the diplomates in
 
         13    forensic psychology with the American Board of Professional
 
         14    Psychology.  I'm a member of the Texas Psychological
 
         15    Association, Abilene Psychological Association.
 
         16       Q.   Does the State of Texas require continuing education
 
         17    courses in your area of expertise?
 
         18       A.   It requires continuing education as a psychologist to
 
         19    renew your license each year.
 
         20       Q.   And how much is required?
 
         21       A.   As I recall, 12 hours a year of continuing education are
 
         22    required.
 
         23       Q.   How much have you had in the last two years?
 
         24       A.   About 190 hours.
 
         25       Q.   What is your forensic experience?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1       A.   I began -- my initial exposure to forensic psychology
 
          2    was in discussions during my graduate training, but I didn't
 
          3    actually do any work at that time.  There were additional
 
          4    lectures and discussions about this across my internship with
 
          5    the Navy.  My initial direct exposure was as a psychologist with
 
          6    the Navy.  As I would evaluate individuals who were pending
 
          7    captain's mast, which is judicial proceedings, or nonjudicial
 
          8    proceedings, just below a court-martial, as well as evaluating
 
          9    individuals who were facing court-martial.  That was a small
 
         10    part of the work that I did at that time, but that was with some
 
         11    regularity.
 
         12            In my practice, in my private practice in Abilene,
 
         13    across the 1980's I gradually did more and more forensic work,
 
         14    initially primarily in the family law area in evaluations of
 
         15    child custody, but increasingly involving criminal cases.  And
 
         16    at this point, have a general practice in forensic psychology
 
         17    with a good portion of that still involving family law, but a
 
         18    very large portion of it involving criminal related
 
         19    evaluations.  Most often, appointments by the Court to evaluate
 
         20    competency to stand trial or mental state at time of offense as
 
         21    a neutral examiner on behalf of the Court.
 
         22       Q.   Have you ever done an evaluation that you have been
 
         23    asked to do and not testified after you have done the
 
         24    evaluation?
 
         25       A.   Yes, I have.  That's happened number of times.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1       Q.   Why is that?
 
          2       A.   Well, in some cases, I may do an evaluation and the case
 
          3    ends up settling in some fashion before there is ever a hearing
 
          4    where I might be called to testify.  In other cases, the
 
          5    evaluation that I have done is not helpful to the position of
 
          6    the attorney who has asked me to do the evaluation, and so he
 
          7    doesn't then call me to testify.
 
          8       Q.   Have you ever testified in capital cases?
 
          9       A.   Yes, I have.
 
         10       Q.   Have you always testified for the defense in a capital
 
         11    case?
 
         12       A.   Yes.
 
         13       Q.   If the state had -- has the state ever asked you to
 
         14    testify?
 
         15       A.   No, not in a capital case.  I have testified at the
 
         16    request of the state in other criminal matters but not in a
 
         17    capital case.
 
         18       Q.   Have you ever been asked to provide training in capital
 
         19    sentencing evaluations to other psychologists, forensic
 
         20    psychologists?
 
         21       A.   Yes, I have.
 
         22       Q.   And who has asked you to do that?
 
         23       A.   The American Academy of Forensic Psychology, which is
 
         24    again the scholarly organization of board certified forensic
 
         25    psychologists within the American Board of Professional
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    Psychology, has asked me to do that.  I have been invited to
 
          2    present a day-long workshop in Milwaukee this March under the
 
          3    auspices of the American Academy of Forensic Psychology on
 
          4    capital sentencing determination issues.
 
          5       Q.   Have you provided expert testimony regarding violence
 
          6    risk assessments in other federal capital cases?
 
          7       A.   Yes, I have.
 
          8       Q.   How many?
 
          9       A.   I have testified by my recollection in six cases that
 
         10    were actively at trial regarding risk assessment and I believe
 
         11    in one federal habeas case that involved issues of risk
 
         12    assessment.
 
         13       Q.   Have you additionally testified as an expert involving
 
         14    violence risk assessments in State Court?
 
         15       A.   Yes, I have.
 
         16       Q.   How many times have you done that?
 
         17       A.   By my recollection, there have been four state cases at
 
         18    active trial that I have testified in regarding risk assessment
 
         19    and one or two habeas cases in addition to that, I believe, at
 
         20    the state level.
 
         21       Q.   Please tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
 
         22    Dr. Cunningham, what is violence risk assessment?
 
         23       A.   Violence risk assessment is -- is estimating the
 
         24    likelihood that someone will behave in a serious violent
 
         25    fashion, in this case, estimating the likelihood that a
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    particular individual, a defendant, or Mark Barnette, will
 
          2    behave in a serious violent fashion, in this instance, in
 
          3    federal prison, and applying both conceptual approaches --
 
          4    applying both the theory of the research as well as specific
 
          5    data, specific statistical data to try to arrive at as accurate
 
          6    an estimate as possible.
 
          7       Q.   Is that process a science?
 
          8       A.   Yes, it is.
 
          9       Q.   And what makes it a science?
 
         10       A.   It's a science in that risk assessment has a conceptual
 
         11    and research literature.  In other words, in the field of risk
 
         12    assessment, there are scholarly articles that are written about
 
         13    how this needs to be approached, that's the conceptual part of
 
         14    it, and then there is also research data that looks at, what's
 
         15    the outcome, what's the degree of violence that is in various
 
         16    populations and what factors seem to be associated with that.
 
         17    And so there is scholarly scientific research data that is
 
         18    associated with the subject, and that's a part of what makes it
 
         19    a science.
 
         20       Q.   Are you familiar with that literature, Dr. Cunningham?
 
         21       A.   Yes, I am, I study it intensively.
 
         22       Q.   And what is the relation of your own publication to this
 
         23    literature?
 
         24       A.   The paper that I mentioned regarding the integrating
 
         25    base rate data in risk assessments at capital sentencing is
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    specifically oriented to that question, and the paper summarizes
 
          2    the different conceptual approaches that have been taken to risk
 
          3    assessment, looks at various statistical studies that can be
 
          4    supplied to this question at capital sentencing, and is
 
          5    essentially a literature review and a synthesis of these studies
 
          6    and this research into a single paper.
 
          7       Q.   What else makes this a science, if anything?
 
          8       A.   There is a publish methodology.  In other words, the
 
          9    scholarly literature, the publications talk about how you need
 
         10    to go about doing this and what factors you need to pay
 
         11    attention to, what steps are involved in it.
 
         12       Q.   What else is considered in showing that this is a
 
         13    science?
 
         14       A.   When we talk about risk assessment, we are not just
 
         15    talking about making estimates or evaluations of violence risk
 
         16    potential.  The area of risk assessment has a long established
 
         17    history.  That's what the insurance industry is, they are in the
 
         18    business of risk assessment, of trying to identify what's the
 
         19    likelihood that someone will have an automobile accident, or
 
         20    what their mortality is, by any number of things that as they
 
         21    try to evaluate how do you go about identifying the likelihood
 
         22    of negative outcomes.  And so that part of risk assessment has
 
         23    an established tradition in other industries.
 
         24       Q.   Is there anything else that makes it a science?
 
         25       A.   The methods of risk assessment can lend themselves to
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    being objective, that means that whoever looks at it comes up
 
          2    with a similar kind of approach, as well as reliable, in other
 
          3    words, that you would come up with similar answers each time you
 
          4    evaluate it.  That objectivity and reliability, I think, though,
 
          5    depends on how close you stay to the statistics.  The closer you
 
          6    stay to the statistics of it, the more likely it is to be
 
          7    objective and reliable.  The more it becomes intuitive or even
 
          8    clinical, if you will, the greater likelihood there is that you
 
          9    begin to stray and are less accurate and less reliable.
 
         10       Q.   Is there anything else that makes it a science?
 
         11       A.   There is progressive accuracy with additional research.
 
         12    In other words, as more studies are done, as more populations
 
         13    are studied and in more detail and outcomes are measured, then
 
         14    our data pool of statistics increases, then we know more, we
 
         15    have better information over time.  And so that progressive
 
         16    increase in accuracy, I think, is also part of what makes it a
 
         17    science.
 
         18       Q.   Dr. Cunningham, at the conclusion of a risk assessment,
 
         19    are you able to say whether a person is violent or going to be
 
         20    violent or not?
 
         21       A.   No, that would be a prediction and prediction is not
 
         22    science.  Prediction is a -- that's crystal balls.  I don't make
 
         23    predictions, and predictions are not well regarded within the
 
         24    risks assessment community.  What I'm attempting to do is
 
         25    evaluate the degree of risk, what is the probability that this
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    person will be violent.  So it's not an either/or, but it is a
 
          2    probability.
 
          3       Q.   So would it be fair to say that it's a probability
 
          4    estimate?
 
          5       A.   That's correct.
 
          6       Q.   Is this based on research data?
 
          7       A.   Yes, it is.  The probability estimate stems directly
 
          8    from actuarial follow-up, from research data with individuals
 
          9    who we identify as having various characteristics in common with
 
         10    the person who we are evaluating here.
 
         11       Q.   And what sort of data is relied on in doing a risk
 
         12    assessment?
 
         13       A.   The basic source of data are group statistics.  In other
 
         14    words, you measure the group as a whole.  It's -- the analogy
 
         15    that comes to mind is that as the automobile insurance company
 
         16    evaluates the likelihood that my 16-year-old will be involved in
 
         17    an accident.  The way they evaluate that is they look at their
 
         18    experience with thousands of 16-year-old's, and on the basis of
 
         19    that, they can identify a statistical likelihood that this
 
         20    16-year-old will have an accident.  And so we are going to start
 
         21    the same way.  We're going to begin with group statistics that
 
         22    look at large numbers of people, and the next step then is to
 
         23    individualize that to a particular person, to look at what
 
         24    factors there are about a specific individual that might cause
 
         25    us to modify that group statistic a little bit.  And I
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    emphasize "a little bit," because the farther that you go, the
 
          2    farther you depart from that statistical estimate, the greater
 
          3    the likelihood is that you are going to be inaccurate.  But we
 
          4    do try to individualize that risk estimate based on individual
 
          5    characteristics.
 
          6       Q.   When you say individualize it, you mean individualize it
 
          7    to a particular person?
 
          8       A.   That's right, to bring this down to Mark Barnette,
 
          9    looking at Mark Barnette in relation to these group statistics,
 
         10    where does he look like he is going to fall around that risk
 
         11    level.
 
         12       Q.   Dr. Cunningham, have you studied this group statistical
 
         13    data?
 
         14       A.   Yes, I have.
 
         15            MR. WILLIAMS:  Your Honor, at this time the defense
 
         16    would tender Dr. Cunningham as an expert in the field of
 
         17    forensic psychology involving violence risk assessment at
 
         18    capital sentencing.
 
         19            THE COURT:  All right, the Court will so accept him.
 
         20            BY MR. WILLIAMS:
 
         21       Q.   Dr. Cunningham, were you asked to evaluate Mark Barnette
 
         22    for the purpose of violence risk assessment in this case?
 
         23       A.   Yes, I was.
 
         24       Q.   Tell the jury how you did that.
 
         25       A.   I began by reviewing extensive, and it's part of my
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    ongoing practice and habit of reviewing extensive statistical
 
          2    studies and research data in this area of risk assessment and
 
          3    looking at what data could be brought to bear on the question of
 
          4    Mark Barnette's likelihood of serious violence in prison.  I
 
          5    reviewed extensive records in the case that I can detail.
 
          6       Q.   All right.  And you have a list of those records that
 
          7    you have reviewed?
 
          8       A.   Yes, I do.
 
          9       Q.   How many pages is the list you have?
 
         10       A.   Four pages single spaced, and in many instances there is
 
         11    more than one document per line.
 
         12       Q.   And were those the records that were involved in the
 
         13    charges that were brought and now the convictions of Mark
 
         14    Barnette in the killings of Robin Williams and Donald Lee Allen?
 
         15       A.   That's correct.
 
         16       Q.   And without reading every single document, can you give
 
         17    the jury an overview of the areas that you reviewed, the kinds
 
         18    of documents that you reviewed?
 
         19       A.   Well, in addition to the offense reports in this case, I
 
         20    reviewed the offense reports and statements associated with his
 
         21    prior criminal arrest and convictions.  I reviewed school
 
         22    records, medical records, reports of past psychological
 
         23    evaluations, reports of the evaluations that were done at FCI
 
         24    Butner and the federal facility this fall, read the entire chart
 
         25    from the federal facility that was made available to me.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1       Q.   In addition to records, did you review any interviews?
 
          2       A.   Yes, there were many other records that I looked at,
 
          3    including records of other experts, extensive interviews that
 
          4    Cindy Maxwell had obtained with a large number of third parties,
 
          5    family members, friends, employers, other individuals that she
 
          6    had collected data from.
 
          7       Q.   Did you review all of the reports not only from Butner
 
          8    but from Dr. Duncan, Dr. Grant?
 
          9       A.   Yes, I did.
 
         10       Q.   And any other medical reports?
 
         11       A.   Yes, I did.
 
         12       Q.   Did you directly evaluate Mark Barnette, the young man
 
         13    seated next to me?
 
         14       A.   Yes, I did.
 
         15       Q.   How many hours did you spent in interviewing him?
 
         16       A.   I spent just over 11 hours interviewing him.
 
         17       Q.   Did you have any interviews of people directly?
 
         18       A.   Yes, I did.
 
         19       Q.   And what kind of people did you interview directly?
 
         20       A.   Directly, I interviewed Jessie Cooper, also Sonia
 
         21    Barnette.  Then I spoke to Sonia Barnette for an extended period
 
         22    of time over the phone.  Then I conducted telephone interviews
 
         23    of Derrick Barnette, Mario Barnette, Sheila Cooper, Steve
 
         24    Austin, Brian Ard, Shonda Nero, Captain Alan Cobb who I spoke to
 
         25    briefly.  He was checking the disciplinary status at the jail
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1    and so his was more of just to let me know that there had been
 
          2    no additional incidents or other incidents.  I also interviewed
 
          3    Tony Harrison, who is a Mecklenburg County jailer, police
 
          4    officer Elizabeth A. Joye and Dr. Sally Johnson.  All of those
 
          5    individuals I had direct telephone interviews with, and then
 
          6    there were other individuals who I attempted to contact but who
 
          7    I could not reach.
 
          8       Q.   Did you review all of the jail records since Mark
 
          9    Barnette's arrest?
 
         10       A.   Yes, I did.
 
         11       Q.   Did you go to the crime scene of the Donald Lee Allen
 
         12    killing?
 
         13       A.   Yes, I did.
 
         14       Q.   Did you review photos and videos?
 
         15       A.   Yes, I did.
 
         16       Q.   Did you review the findings of Dr. Salton and
 
         17    Dr. Halleck?
 
         18       A.   Yes, I did.
 
         19       Q.   Have you as part of your extensive review in this case,
 
         20    Dr. Cunningham, prepared some demonstrative visual aids to
 
         21    illustrate your testimony to this jury?
 
         22       A.   Yes, I have.
 
         23            MR. WILLIAMS:  If Your Honor please, may Dr. Cunningham
 
         24    at this time come down to the overhead projector?
 
         25            THE COURT:  All right, sir.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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          1            MR. WILLIAMS:  I have a -- I think I have tendered to
 
          2    the Court an exhibit marked, whatever that exhibit number is,
 
          3    Your Honor, I believe it's 58.
 
          4            THE COURT:  Well, let's see.
 
          5            MR. WILLIAMS:  It's a black book, Your Honor.
 
          6            THE COURT:  The one I have here?
 
          7            MR. WILLIAMS:  Yes, sir.
 
          8            THE COURT:  You have 59 on that one.
 
          9            MR. WILLIAMS:  Pardon me?
 
         10            THE COURT:  59.
 
         11            MR. WILLIAMS:  All right, 59, Your Honor, and that is,
 
         12    Your Honor, a copy of the various overheads that Dr. Cunningham
 
         13    intends to use.  We put them into one exhibit.  We provided them
 
         14    to the government.
 
         15            BY MR. WILLIAMS:
 
         16       Q.   Before, Dr. Cunningham, you proceed, I wanted to ask you
 
         17    one last question.
 
         18            Before you -- before you attempted to interview Mark
 
         19    Barnette in the case, were you aware of licensing procedures in
 
         20    the State of North Carolina for an out-of-state psychologist?
 
         21       A.   I made myself aware of it.
 
         22       Q.   And how did you do that?
 
         23       A.   I telephoned the State Board of Psychologists here in
 
         24    North Carolina to identify what their procedure was for
 
         25    psychologists coming in from out of state to perform forensic